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    Start a New Thread Instead of Making Another Crap Thread Longer

    Its a variation of the other thread "Post here instead of starting a new crap thread" or whatever that thread was called.

    I have a feeling that this is going to be one of those posts where the server is going to tell me that I've exceeded the word limit and am going to have to cut and paste, so PART ONE:

    ATSG put forth the question of what we've been up to for the past ten years. I have no idea if what I type will answer that, I a some very vague ideas of what I might want to be writing about (what does ATSG stand for by the way, ATSG?) and maybe this will get included along the way as I never really stick with the general idea once I start anyway.

    For those that wonder. Actually, first, for those that take issue with the length of the crap I publish here and feel like saying something about, I'm guessing that there's a block user option in your tools somewhere. If its the content itself, something I write that there's an issue with, fair enough I guess because I'm putting stuff here that people have the option of responding to, but if its long content or grammer or spelling, use the block user option, shut up, or go fcuk yourself.

    For those that wonder why I put such lengthy siht here from time to time, it comes down to a few reasons. Sometimes I am literally just in the end doing it to hear myslef crap on. A lot of the past has been nothing more than that. I remember some stuff that was obviously attention seeking when I look at it now. Another reason is that in the course of things, I put personal things about myself here and as a result and by method of doing it I get the opportunity to explore how I'm approaching things, how I feel about things from a perspective that I might sometimes catch where I've been self deceptive. Often times there's no fruit to bear from the process but sometimes there is. I know its easy to argue that this is easily accomplished by opening a word processor and typing without publishing it and this is not only true but doing so (which I have done at times) allows me to be much more searching and much more open and infantile and free of any embarassment that publishing pushes me to hide. A word processor would be a much better exercise, but if its an issue for you that I indulge, for whatever reason which I suppose I still haven't discovered entirely yet, I've already offered three solutions at the end of the last paragraph.

    So, the ideas I had in mind when I started out were, and I'll now give those vague ideas a title: "Age, Love, and Sex", "The Three Chicks I Still Think About After I Haven't Thought About Girls From the Past in At Least 10 Years, and Why", and... I don't remember what the other one was, in fact maybe it was just those two.

    I'll try to keep it catigorical now that I've assigned titles and start with Age, Love, and Sex.

    Right, so I watched a YouTube video maybe 6 or 8 months back. Anyone seen "The School of Life" channel? Its decent. Its often silly but if you sit and watch for a while you end up getting something out of a video here and there. I remembered what the third topic was but I don't think I want to spend time on it today. So somewhere burried in this YouTube channel is a video about love. They have quite a few but there was one specifically that made a lot of sense to me and later on I learned that its actually pretty much coming straight from Psychological theory. If you've ever spent any length of time reading or watching Psychological theory, its very much today still wishy washy conjecture that seems to really be pulling at straws way too much of the time, however when I saw this one it really hit home and on the occasions that I've talked to people about myself in respect to my needs being met in a situation, wheather it be a friendship or my situation at home, when I put in the perspective, or put it into language from the perspective of this short little video that gave me the tools to be able to put it out more simplified, I'm usually understood. In fact I'm always understood as long as I'm talking to someone who isn't significantly younger than me. I don't want to define significantly younger as it applies here because its variable and it might be insulting or come off as condescending. Additionally, where its more difficult to express the same thing, perhaps I just didn't do a good job when I said it.

    So basically this theory describes, well for starters when we're talking about romantic love there's certainly quite a bit of overlap but this isn't really what I'm talking about here and additionally, my personal opinion is that if you remove sex and sensuality then you're very much talking about a freindship that you may very well have with friends of your own gender. Obviously if you're talking about a friendship with someone who isnt of your own gender (do you're own math translations here if your'e LGBT) then there's always something unaddressed, for example if I'm feeling needy in some way and its desparate then the possibility for a woman to fullfill this more intamatly is always there.

    As I was saying, the theory really I suppose gets very involved while keeping things fairly simple and unfortunatly I don't think, now, that I'm going to do a very good job of laying it out the way a well thought out YouTube video can. Perhaps it was various videos, I don't remember now.
    Alright I'm going to wing it and I'm making this shit up as I go, so don't quote me and look for contradictions: I'm going to say 2 basic and separate needs, giving and receiving. I'm going to venture even further than what I know I don't know what I'm talking about and say that in both cases, this is always selfish on its own, but... and huge but, is that from the perspective that everyone else on the planet also has the same needs, selfish or otherwise, that sure its selfish as a solitary individual but not at all as soon as another person or people are involved and in fact, it can be quite selfish not to give love or not to receive love when we see it for what it is and can easily do so without complication.

    A very basic example I can think of easily, is that kids are pretty selfish if they have 2 chocolates in their hand. They don't want to share that siht. All the time though, its the scenario that my kids or kids that I'm familiar with like my neices, will literally have 2 chocolates left or 2 Pringles left and they hold one out asking me if I want one. Its difficult for me to know at times if they need me to take it or if they'd rather me turn it down because they secretly want to keep it for themselves. So whats going on here is that they want to feel accepted. I've heard in Middle Eastern culture that turning down gifts is exceptionally rude. I don't know if that's true about the culture or not, though I did once accidentally piss a non-English speaking dude from Kuwait to the point that he wanted to kick my ass by doing just that. What it comes down to is that at times we offer our help to someone, maybe its something small like carrying something from ther car or maybe its something big like offering them a place to stay. We can feel rejection when that offer for help is turned down.

    As for receiving love, I think its a little more clear how we can feel rejected here. What isn't clear, or what people don't really talk about anyway, is that this can also be the result of some pretty small stuff, and I mean really small like feeling like you weren't listened to or that something very small and otherwise not that significant was ignored of you.

    Since I don't have a video link, I'll stop there with the setup. Now from there, what sort of ways do we experience love? More accurately, what are our emotional needs? Now it becomes helpful to look at the romantic relationship and see where it deviates and where it doesn't, from friendship. I've sort of broken this down into areas for myself but I'm pretty sure I'll miss a number of things. There's familiarity with someone, acceptance by someone which I did a crap job of outlining above and gets pretty focking dynamic if you give it any thought so this is something that can be broken into a lot more things, there's sex, there's sensuality, and surely I'm lacking a number of other things because I'm 100% certain that if I was speaking about something very specific that I'd easily identify at least 5 differant aslpects. I don't feel like I have enough to really move forward with as a result but I'm going to anyway.

    So it occurs to me that there came a point, and I don't know if this was the result of an emotional epiphany I had about my marraige and how my needs weren't seeming that they'd ever be met enough to call life less than miserable which resulted in the need to develop the skill set to clearly identify things and talk about them or if it was just very simply the result of getting older and having a lower sex drive than I've been used to for such a long time, but there came a point where I realised that fullfillment with another person, and most specifically with my wife, was starting to look less straightforward than it had in the past and especially to the point where good sex, which I want, involves more than just sex. I want sensuality, I want to feel loved, I want very much more to feel that my wife also feels sensual, that she feels loved, that she feels cared about in that moment, that she isn't merely doing me a favor by being cooperative. Good foreplay all of a sudden became not something of importance but something of desire and even necessity. There's absolutely times when just sex is great but if we aren't getting on good enough then there absolutely won't be times when just sex is okay for me.

    The contrast to the above is how things were when I got married, and for years after, and for the whole sex career before that where getting along with someone more superficially was enough. If I got along with someone and didn't know them well, fock if I needed to hold them first, fock if I wanted to feel their skin against mine while I explored their body with my hands looking for the tenderest of spots or the tense muscles that needed care and sure I did that sometimes but I didn't need to. Now, I need to, I want to, I love to, and I'm going to or we aren't getting far with each other. (Now if I could just finally convince her that my buthole is fun place...).

    So what's my opinion? My theory? My theory is that all those hormones when we're young, man... that's some seriosly powerful stuff but I think its more confusing to be juiced up like that than what it is now because when sticking your dcik in someone takes care of ALL of your needs when it comes to love... well I suppose I prefer to know myself how I do now is all. I can't think of any specific examples of exactly how getting all my needs met blindly through sex was immediatly detrimental but its a really long list when it comes to relationships that weren't the best and that I could have avoided if I'd known how to recognise my needs better and handle that with even a little bit of responsibility.

    That's all I got for that topic. For the women, cut me some slack, I'm a dude, yes it took a long time to get even some basic understanding but that's my excuse; I'm a dude. That and the fact that I did a very poor job overall of expressing myself, love, or my needs, in any depth or with much clarity. I think, after writing this, that its a very difficult thing to express without talking in specific terms with someone you're a little involved with, sex or otherwise... that and that I'm a dude.

    I forgot what the second subject was but I'll probably re-read and then hit on it later. Its 11:24 PM and its been insomnia recently so I probably have time later.
    Why is it so hard?
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    Today is Saturday. Tommorow is Sunday. Tommorow I will... ...eat something I like and that is also not unhealthy.
    That was pretty sad as the best worthless thing I can think of. I do that most days. My guess, as a result, is that tommorow will be boring. I'll probably study actually. I'm building my math skills from where I left off. I've done 6 years of math in the past 5 months. Its amazing what you can get done when you do it at your own pace with good resources. Truth is that I fcuking hate math. I hate it so much that I NEED to understand it and solve it. If I don't, 3 or 4 years from now, understand as much as the best professors out there, I'll either have hit a wall that made me give up and feel dissapointed that I wasn't able to get to the real puzzles that are modern day problems, or I'll have moved away and moved on to some other persuit.
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    I had a thought just now.

    I was drawing a thing to cut out and put on the back side of my phone protector thing because its transparent and my phone is white which is a colour I don't like. My son saw me drawing and went and told my wife "Daddy's drawing a pretty picture" so she came and asked to see. I said I was sketching it for a tattoo. She said "that's ugly", to which I got a little offended because its a pretty cool drawing. I told her don't insult my art, it isn't ugly. She said no it isn't ugly but where am I going to get a tattoo. I said probably my upper arm. Obviously I'm just making this up since its for my phone. She says that tattoos are ugly. I said "I have three tattoos". So basically I got annoyed because she thought my art would make an ugly tattoo on me, then I got annoyed because she said tattoos are ugly when I already have some. Basically, I got annoyed for no reason at all because I don't want another tattoo, nor was she calling the art in itself ugly. It was a little annoying her judgemental attitude though, which is typical for her.

    Then I had the thought I mentioned. "What the hell would I even get a tattoo of at my age? Literally a tattoo of my age, the number 45, so when people asked I could say 'Yeah its my mid-life crisis tattoo', and then I thought, even better and more stupid I could literally, since people tattoo words on their skin these days, get one that says 'Mid Life Crisis' if I wanted to go that route."

    End of thought.
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    Some days, I'm like "This is fine" while other days I'm like "This isn't entirely okay".

    The above statement from a man is the general equivalent of a girl who you started sleeping with last week saying "You've done it now! You've got me going. Once I get going I'm an animal, so look out because I'm in full on sex feind mode for you now."
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    The salmon swim upstream. Bears wait for them to jump upwards where the slope is too steep to swim. Sometimes the bears get a fish and eat it, sometimes they don't. Most bears will live to make baby bears. Most salmon will make baby salmon. The cycle continues.

    If a bunch of people thought that I was a very wise and incredibly spiritual man, most of them would walk away from the above beleiving that there was some kind of deep and hidden meaning in the above; that I'd just told a parable or made some kind of metaphor that was worth examining. Now all I need to do is create a rich trendy religion and convince people... oh wait, Scientology already beat me to it.
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    I just thought to myself that there's a demand for dating sites, there's a demand for hookup sites, there's social media, there's still even forum communities out there and now that I think about it, some people probably still use chat rooms (if this is you, go outside today, tommorow go outside and walk all the way down to the next street. Try to go further each day), but nowhere does there exist.. oh yeah, there's even pen pal sites out there, or there was a long time ago, I don't know if they still exist. 19 years ago I was writing to people in foreign countries for a short while. In any case, along the lines of pen pal stuff, there needs to a service where you can sign up and write the stupidest and most senseless junk that enters your head to people and in turn you'de have to get other people's emails. I think we could end racism like this, which would happen via means of pretty much eliminating all judgement. There's nothing more powerful that strangers, on rare occasions. I think its either this or we just start getting naked with everyone from the word go, but that would be really difficult, for example if you meet 5 new people in a day or you go to a party where you don't know anyone or just plain walk into a bar, or worse, an airport. It would be exhausting, you'de have to explain to all the guys that you're straight (or whatever the math is for your orientation), or if it was a woman that you've already screwed 3 people a day for a week straight and you just don't believe it's possible, or that you just don't feel like it at the moment but you're willing to have a short naked cuddle or something. If you have an STI you have to explain that as well. Man, that would be a lot of work. It would make a job interview an interesting experience though.
    I think both of these solutions would be effective.
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    ****ing Trigonemetry man! Does anyone actually remember all these identities when they don't use it for more than 2 months?
    Take a look and tell me I'm not wrong. It'd be easier to remember like 4 or 5 things and deduce the rest, but even then you'd need to be pretty fcuking sure about your memory of those 4 or 5 things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ric_identities

    You think about it though, build an airplane wrong and the vibrations make bolts snap, bearings crush, metal snaps. Could screw up your whole vacation. I wonder if all this stuff gets computer modeled down to every imaginable detail or if someone just says "make that shtick three times as thick!".

    Separate thought, differant day. When a plane falls out of the sky, a car crashes... basically when anything anywhere ever goes wrong that wasn't the result of the weather or an earthquake, volcano or flood, its always human error. Same exact thing as when you accidentally bump someone in the jaw with your elbow. What does it mean in the end? Fcuk if I know...

    Afterthought: Somewhere out there are loads of mathemeticians that were just about to accidentally discover the next big thing, but they didn't see it because there's too many trig identities for it to ever feel natural enough to go "Ohhhh!, I see!"
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    I've watched the YouTube live stream of the space station before, but it says its moderated. I was watching a live stream of a couple news channels covering the storm in Houston, and holy crap do people type all manner of stupid in there. Obviously you get your normal stupid, for example some dude saying that it was raining naked chicks in his house from the storm, but there were people threatening to kill each other, some aparently taking it seriously and saying they were calling the police, other people trying to get in the middle and calm things down, other people pointing out that the cops don't care etc etc. Meanwhile, obviously, there's dumber stuff than someone over and over coming up with ways to brag about all the imaginary white chicks; I can't even remember what people were saying honestly. The point is, one of them anyway, is that it was sort of tempting to be reading all this crap and since I was thinking, "Please! Is that the dumbest you can come up with? I can out-stupid all of YouTube most likely.", it was a little tempting to actually type incredibly stupid crap for no reason because... well because its me, right?

    In the end, that was just a little too futile to do. It did make me think about people who use chat rooms though. I feel its... well obviously its a monumental waste of time but more importantly, there's people that really just sort of live in chat rooms, room moderators, and it made me think of what someone's real life who was doing that today might be like. I reckon its incredibly lonely and that to use that as a form of recreation is... I don't want to say... I imagine people going to work and not really interacting with anything except for job tasks, and then spending the rest of their life in a chat room and man that seems so worthless, not as people but if it were me, well in the case of the forum here I suppose many people wasted a lot of time, if it were a chatroom in 2017 though, I sort of want to feel that a person has to be living deluded that this is a fruitful way to spend time, but I mean big time deluded, so it begs the question if this sort of delusion is along the same lines of what you'd find qualifying for some sort of delusional disorder in the DSM or is it not covered? I've had the impression of people in the past that post on forums and did this, and this was a long time ago, that there was a bit of agoraphobia and probably a fair share of depression, for example there was a woman who hated kids, had tons of cats, and taught 8th grade English. Who the hell even wants to teach 8th grade english day after day year after year? Its the most boring class I can imagine in all of my school experience. 8th grade english is the most miserable class that exists and my 8th grade English teacher was a miserable person. Anyway, to be a teacher and hate kids on top of it. It was pretty clear that she was a shut in outside of her job, she wasn't trying hide that.

    And so I come full circle. NASA is employing shut ins to monitor their space station feeds 24/7. And that's the other point to be made.


    Since I mentioned the DSM and I'm the only one posting here, and I talk about sex and masturbating and cum and pussies and... whatever fcuk else, a lot, I feel like anyone who reads this will be thinking to themself, "Yeah but what the hell is wrong with you Dean?". I have an answer. Its a combination of answers. I'm an American for one. I'm an American that spent his childhood in the 70s and teenage years in the 80s. I'm bipolar and part of that, despite a very helpful medication change by the way, is a lack of a mouth filter. It turns out that language skills, reading and hearing use differant parts of the brain than writing typing and speaking. Typing is awesome for me because despite being willing to say more crap in real life than most, it doesn't go off the rails, but typing online; I can say any fcuking thing and not worry. The only thing I can't do is spell the word fcuk correctly while I'm here.

    With the above said, I'm thinking now of something both sexual and gross to leave here with, but nothings coming to me. Nothing I haven't typed in the past anyway.
    Still nothing.
    I wonder though, is it unusual to be fantasizing about hooking up with girls I know I wouldn't even if they threw themselves at me naked, when I'm not horny but just bored? Like in the morning when I don't have anything important and stayed in bed or at night when I can't sleep or there's nothing on TV or anything else I feel like doing?
    Oh okay, I thought of something sexual now. It isn't really that sexual or gross... well it comes out of the things I fantasize about so sometimes its sexual and gross, but I find myself in these fantasies not spending that much time having sex itself. There's way more foreplay and more specifically I tend to find scenarios where I'm coming together with someone on some emotional level that leads into this. This used to not be the case even nearly as much. I'd either think about sex while I was horny I pretty much wouldn't think about anyone and if I did then it was the result of actually having feelings for that person which drove me a little nuts because I was afraid of what I might do under the right circumstances. This is no longer the case, or hasn't been.
    I still can't think of something gross that isn't repulsive for even me. I can think of some shlt I've seen on porn but that doesn't count I don't think, and I'm not enjoying recalling the images.

    Alright, how about this? Every time ... no that's not gross. Lets just all imagine someone from online that we don't like choking on cum. How's that?
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    I just watched a video from 2016 Billboard Woman of the year award. Madonna does a crazy good speach. Incredilbly well thought out and expressive about being a woman in entertainment and a woman in general and in the process really nails the heart of some fundamentals that are very relevant to the issue of sexism, feminism, etc.

    It occured to me that this isn't really about sexism or feminism as what she said managed to make me pretty nervous. Where it really mattered for me, it was about male/female issues and not just interpersonal ones but at the level of society.

    It was really compelling and difficult to take any immediate issue with and you really feel like she's done a great job and everything. Its worth searching youtube for this speach if you bother to read this or give my words any opinion.

    Although it was really impossible to have any immediate objection but instead feel good that she put out there what she did in an illustrative way that was concise for me, I still felt very nervous by the end of this. It wasn't because I feel like I'm going to get shunned or make a mistake in the world of political correctness for any opinion I have or any behaviour I have. I feel pretty good about myself in respect to being confident in a world that, very occasionally can be stacked against me. What made me nervous was this thought: "Holy sh|t! The woman are going to take over. They in fact NEED to take over."

    This in itself would be fine theoritically. Theoretically it would just be a change and the world might very well be better off. My life in such a world may very well be much better off in a world where women were in control, socially, professionally, and politically, and in that order from most dominating to least dominanating. The problem with this idealistic perspective is that I have 100% faith that women.. okay the first thing was like "They're just going to hang out with each other and then who the hell am I going to talk to? Men don't socialize to an extent that would leave me feeling emotionally fulfilled, we aren't capable of it with one another. We aren't resistant to it, it doesn't happen because it isn't who we are nor how we operate with each other. We NEED women for this reason above all else, above sexual connection even. Men by nature are simply not built to me intimate with one another, and this is why we can't be intimate with each other, not because we refuse to be."

    So that wasn't all thought, I opened quotes and started off with the thought but then felt I needed to explain some of it better before closing quotes. Obviously everything about the nature of men wasn't very much part of the thought process at all but mostly a given for me. Continuing the the thought though: "We'll be left behind socially which is the equivalent of being emotionally alone given how much women are already reliant on one another as it is. It isn't great 100% of the time that the women in my life want to stick around other women for the most part. In fact, its quite annoying that I feel social restrictions that don't allow me to go hang out with women I know because for ****ed up and shizophrenic reasons, even if the rest of my social circle has confidence that me and this women wouldn't be getting together with the intention of sex, I still just can't do it, not for very long at all anyway. I'm pretty much forbidden from having female friends in that respect unless I both have their husband, boyfriend, or whatever, there as well, and I don't deviate very far from treating them like another dude. So I'm out as far as that goes. All thats left for me is a relationship with one woman that I'm close to. For me this is my wife, for others it could be a girlfriend, it could be a female friend that there's no mutual interest with if your'e both single especially if this is a lesbian." I ended quotes because I was pretty far into explanation rather than just quoting the fear.

    So what is that like when you literally only have one person in your life that you can express yourself with to any real extent without the horrible, horrible discomfort associated with attempting to do this with a man? Hahaha, I suppose part of that is writing stuff like this on dead forum servers. True, but still just a joke as its not really significan't. Well it sucks is what its like and it sucks because not only am I experiencing my wife being able to, whenever she wants, go and have that relationship with her friends, but I'm left behind either by myself or to look after the family while she goes and gets this exact same fullfillment that I also need, but can't. A big part of the issue here is that she has a number of female friends to choose from. I have her. I'm limited to one person and one person isn't limiting and by nature isn't able to give the variety of opinion, reaction, understanding, etc etc, in a friendship that even just two people could for me. So its an expectation of me, its part of our job as men, that we're going to stay back, often taking on all of the shared responsibility, so that our women can get the most out of life that we aren't allowed to.

    As something that isn't really along the lines of where I'm going with this, I should point out here that this is incredibly annoying when women feel that they've reciprocated the favor when we have time with male friends. The truth is that we require way less time with our friends and that we can even feel pushed to go spend time with them just because that's what our women have done, so I think a lot of women don't realize that when they say "You got to spend time with ... Frank, to pick a random name", in a fullfilled and happy manner, that its actually kind of insulting for us because its like "Yeah, so? It was good to do something differant despite the fact that it was boring as hell and became uncomfortable multiple times before the unspoken mutual decision to part ways until some future point when we both get our respective disgusting girly feelings out of each other's more immediate impression of one another, and by the way it was ****ing boring too." So for this reason men are more solitary but is this because men are more solitary or because we just aren't even allowed to be straight with women without being perceived as if we're trying to **** them regardless of wheather or not there's any real danger of that happening with said woman in the first place?

    Maybe the above part is sort of relevant as it does touch on my first fear of a world where men are more laid back and submissive, which quite honestly could be easier or more relaxing as a mindset, in theory. The fear is that we'd be left behind. At times, its already sort of bad to feel like I'm losing out time I'd like to have with my wife to whatever number of female friends she has at the time. Sure I could fill that time with my own friends, but that's inevitably boring and as also stated, its not fullfilling to spend that much time with them. There's only so many potato chips before I'm fat and only so many video games before I wan't to kick motherfcukers out of the house.

    I've lost track here with any cohesive thought, so I'll just get to the end and skip over a lot. The bottom line, is that I don't trust women to be in charge of my well being any more than they already are. I also don't trust women not to be any less exploitative, less abusive, less oppressive, etc, if the tables were to be turned. Right here, the lack of trust, is where I think the real problem lies because at the end of the day, those fears realized, what are the facts? The fact is, looking at it from a sociological perspective here and minimizing me, personally. looking like an as$hole, is that men are bigger. We're stronger. As a result of being stronger we're even expected to know how kick a little ass. I don't think any man likes that fact, its scary growing up with it but its the fact; if you can't defend yourself physically at a young age then you're going to get bullied, end of story. So what then is the natural reaction of men, generalizing it to a population, when we realize this fear? Well... the exact same hardships that Madonna talks about going through are going to happen. And there it is, we have an endless cycle of sexism for that reason alone.

    Now, on the other hand, if we lived in a world where I could walk down the street bored, lonely, or emotionally bent about something, and sit down with either of my sister in laws that live within rock throwing distance of me, and just hang out for a little while for time to time when I was home alone and felt I needed it, and I could do that without even them, despite (I'm fairly certain about this) them and their husbands, feeling very confident, them feeling confident with me and their husbands feeling very confident with them at the least, not feeling like this was threatening to their own relationships... and we lived in a world where I felt understood that I feel a little left behind the way I've expressed, and could honestly do with more on that... and we lived in a world where men in general didn't worry about "girls night out" or "spending time with Kate (random name agian)" had any real possiblity of "Marginal possiblity of making some dumb as$ decisions with other men or my girlfriends"... okay pause just to point out that this last part isn't really that big of concern but that it does happen, its not a concern but a fact of life, and that when you've just gone down this thought process because Madonna was the one speaking then its pretty natural that it surfaces as a light influence in that thought process.... anyway, in this world, then okay, sure, women Need to take way more control for themselves and furthermore it Would be, theoretically anyway, most likely a better world after this bold and crazy as$ transition.

    Obviously, we come to the same conclusion that we always come to when thinking about men and women, which is that there's no permanent solution nor is there any understanding of one another that's impacting enough to be fruitful, and that pendulum of confusion will just swing if we get live long enough.

    I've always hated the pendulum metaphor. Can't we say the tire will rotate or the moon will go about its orbit or something else.

    So there it is, that's what I got from Madonna's speech, that "the pedulum swinging" is an outdated way of stating things and needs to modified, afterall, I'm 45 and I've only ever seen one clock in use that used a pendulum, so I'm not sure young kids these days would understand what the hell that even means. If you're like me and were moved by Madonna's speech, even if it was in complete oppostition to my thought process, you can go to https://PendulumsAreStupid.com and help change the world. You can also help out by not using the phrase but using some alternative phrase that describes the same exact thing... And this is the point I was aiming to come to.
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