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  1. #1
    Ext User(jan) Guest

    Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    My kid is spending his junior year overseas, but I put MS Office 2007
    from my CDROM onto his hard disk a few years ago. Now his disk crashed.

    I figured it would be no problem to download the MS Office 2007 Home and
    Student software (since I have a valid retail product key), and it wasn't
    any problem to download Office 2007 Home and Student from
    http://office.microsoft.com/backup

    So, my kid downloads office, after entering his product key, and lo and
    behold, the download from Microsoft is *missing* Outlook 2007. Huh?

    Does anyone know how to get a legit MS Outlook backup download?

  2. #2
    Ext User(BobbyM) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    On 9/17/2013 8:30 AM, jan wrote:
    > My kid is spending his junior year overseas, but I put MS Office 2007
    > from my CDROM onto his hard disk a few years ago. Now his disk crashed.
    >
    > I figured it would be no problem to download the MS Office 2007 Home and
    > Student software (since I have a valid retail product key), and it wasn't
    > any problem to download Office 2007 Home and Student from
    > http://office.microsoft.com/backup
    >
    > So, my kid downloads office, after entering his product key, and lo and
    > behold, the download from Microsoft is *missing* Outlook 2007. Huh?
    >
    > Does anyone know how to get a legit MS Outlook backup download?


    According to this chart, Home & Student is the only version that doesn't
    come with Outlook:
    http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=380


  3. #3
    Ext User(Yrrah) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    jan <jan@is.invalid>:

    > but I put MS Office 2007


    Off topic in 'alt.comp.freeware'.

    Yrrah

  4. #4
    Ext User(p-0''0-h the cat (ES)) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:30:13 +0000 (UTC), jan <jan@is.invalid> wrote:

    >My kid is spending his junior year overseas, but I put MS Office 2007
    >from my CDROM onto his hard disk a few years ago. Now his disk crashed.
    >
    >I figured it would be no problem to download the MS Office 2007 Home and
    >Student software (since I have a valid retail product key), and it wasn't
    >any problem to download Office 2007 Home and Student from
    >http://office.microsoft.com/backup
    >
    >So, my kid downloads office, after entering his product key, and lo and
    >behold, the download from Microsoft is *missing* Outlook 2007. Huh?
    >
    >Does anyone know how to get a legit MS Outlook backup download?


    Are you sure you don't mean Outlook Express? What was the crashed OS?
    What OS is he now using?

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  5. #5
    Ext User(VanguardLH) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    Note: None of the components or the entire suite of any Office version
    is freeware hence jan's post is off-topic to the alt.comp.FREEware
    newsgroup.

    Note: Not an issue with Windows 7 or any version or edition of Windows
    hence jan's post is also off-topic that that newsgroup.

    FollowUp-To was set to microsoft.public.outlook -- the only newsgroup
    where jan's post was on-topic.

    Don't shotgun your inquiries across UNRELATED newsgroups where it is
    spam or, at least, off-topic noise.


    jan wrote:

    > download the MS Office 2007 Home and Student from office.microsoft.com/backup
    > the download from Microsoft is *missing* Outlook 2007.


    "Home and Student". You expected the low-end *Home* edition to have
    everything? Presumably you distributed one of your licenses from a
    multi-license volume pack or you happen to have an Office 2007 Home &
    Student install CD sitting around that you never used to install it on
    your own computer so your kid didn't end up with a pirated copy. It was
    an unused full *retail* license and not an OEM license? Why were you
    surprised that your kid was missing the same components (Outlook, in
    this case) that you are also missing?

    The Home edition of Office 2007 does NOT come with Outlook. Look here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2007
    (scroll down to the colored matrix chart)

    Different editions have different sets of components and features.

    > Does anyone know how to get a legit MS Outlook backup download?


    I only know of the *Office* backup downloads. I haven't seen a
    standalone Outlook backup download. Some possible solutions are:

    - Buy a standalone license of Outlook 2007 (~$140).
    - Buy something other than the "Home and Student" edition of Office
    2007/2010/2013 (~$190 for Pro OEM).
    - Use an older version of Office that does include Outlook and ONLY
    install the Outlook component from it. This means integration
    features will NOT function, like Mail Merge or using Word as the
    new-mail compose editor in Outlook.
    (I'm using Outlook 2003 with Office 2010 Home & Student.)
    - Use an e-mail client from a different software vendor. Examples: free
    Thunderbird with the Lightning add-on for calendaring or EssentialPIM
    (free and pay versions)
    - Use the webmail interface to their e-mail provider.
    - If included, use the mail client that came with Windows.

  6. #6
    Ext User(jan) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:35:21 +0100, p-0''0-h the cat (ES) wrote:

    > Are you sure you don't mean Outlook Express? What was the crashed OS?
    > What OS is he now using?


    I do mean Outlook (OE freeware stinks).
    Crashed OS was Windows 7.
    New OS is Windows 7.


  7. #7
    Ext User(p-0''0-h the cat (ES)) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:18:45 +0000 (UTC), jan <jan@is.invalid> wrote:

    >On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:35:21 +0100, p-0''0-h the cat (ES) wrote:
    >
    >> Are you sure you don't mean Outlook Express? What was the crashed OS?
    >> What OS is he now using?

    >
    >I do mean Outlook (OE freeware stinks).
    >Crashed OS was Windows 7.
    >New OS is Windows 7.


    Well if Outlook doesn't come with your version of Office and you haven't
    got a separate copy the only other thing I can think of is it comes
    bundled with certain versions of Exchange. So perhaps you downloaded it
    from work, or from a hosted Exchange provider.

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  8. #8
    Ext User(jan) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:29:07 +0100, p-0''0-h the cat (ES) wrote:

    > So perhaps you downloaded it
    > from work, or from a hosted Exchange provider.


    I'm trying to find the disk as we speak, so that I can figure out
    myself HOW I got MS Office on there in the first place.

    I just had "assumed" that it was on my Office 2007 disc but, you've
    proven that it wasn't; so now I have to find that disc first to be
    sure.


  9. #9
    Ext User(jan) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:30:13 +0000, jan wrote:

    > I figured it would be no problem to download the MS Office 2007 Home and
    > Student software (since I have a valid retail product key), and it wasn't
    > any problem to download Office 2007 Home and Student from
    > http://office.microsoft.com/backup


    I found another Office 2007 Home & Student download site at:
    http://www.microsoft.com/office/downloads/hs/

    But, in the end, I must have had on the kid's computer an older version of
    Microsoft Office 2003 Student & Teacher Edition.

    Googling for how he can legitimately download this, I find it (again)
    in alt.comp.freeware and NOT in the microsoft newsgroups (go figure),
    so, it seems the freeware folks know Microsoft better than the Microsoft
    folks themselves.

    I found, in alt.comp.freeware, this link:
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/m9ggpua
    Which took me to Microsoft Support which took me to the download for Office 2003 T&S;
    http://download.microsoft.com/downlo.../OfficeSTD.exe

    This Office version does seem to come with Outlook, so, does it make
    sense for me to have my kid download that instead?


  10. #10
    Ext User(Yrrah) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    jan <jan@is.invalid>:

    > I just had "assumed" that it was on my Office 2007 disc but, you've


    Why do you post this in a _freeware_ newsgroup?

    Yrrah

  11. #11
    Ext User(Yrrah) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    jan <jan@is.invalid>:

    > I do mean Outlook (OE freeware stinks).


    Why do you post this in a _freeware_ newsgroup?

    Yrrah

  12. #12
    Ext User(...winston) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    jan wrote:
    > On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:30:13 +0000, jan wrote:
    >
    >> I figured it would be no problem to download the MS Office 2007 Home and
    >> Student software (since I have a valid retail product key), and it wasn't
    >> any problem to download Office 2007 Home and Student from
    >> http://office.microsoft.com/backup

    >
    > I found another Office 2007 Home & Student download site at:
    > http://www.microsoft.com/office/downloads/hs/
    >
    > But, in the end, I must have had on the kid's computer an older version of
    > Microsoft Office 2003 Student & Teacher Edition.
    >
    > Googling for how he can legitimately download this, I find it (again)
    > in alt.comp.freeware and NOT in the microsoft newsgroups (go figure),
    > so, it seems the freeware folks know Microsoft better than the Microsoft
    > folks themselves.
    >
    > I found, in alt.comp.freeware, this link:
    > http://preview.tinyurl.com/m9ggpua
    > Which took me to Microsoft Support which took me to the download for Office 2003 T&S;
    > http://download.microsoft.com/downlo.../OfficeSTD.exe
    >
    > This Office version does seem to come with Outlook, so, does it make
    > sense for me to have my kid download that instead?
    >

    You've previously stated your Office was 2007. The tinyurl link you
    provided appears to be for Office 2010 yet the redirect to the MSFT
    Answers Office 2010 forum indicates a thread title of Office 2003.

    - i.e. your 2007 product key won't work for a different version

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  13. #13
    Ext User(jan) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:12:11 -0400, ...winston wrote:

    > You've previously stated your Office was 2007. The tinyurl link you
    > provided appears to be for Office 2010 yet the redirect to the MSFT
    > Answers Office 2010 forum indicates a thread title of Office 2003.


    I had explained that I had installed (something) long ago on the
    kid's PC, which crashed. Up until this thread, I had thought it
    was Office 2007 Home & Student; but when we downloaded the free
    download off the Microsoft web site, it didn't contain Outlook 2007.

    People here apprised me of the fact that Office 2007 H&S never came
    with Outlook, so, I belatedly realized it must have been 2003 Student
    and Teacher which I had prior installed.

    Since the kid is nowhere near me at the moment, I was seeking a
    download, which I found at that Microsoft link, for 2003 T&S.

    Sorry about the mixup. I think we're ok now, since 2003 Teacher
    and Student has Outlook 2003 in it. I've told my kid to download
    the freeware download and to install it and let me know how it
    works out.

    Thanks for all your help!


  14. #14
    Ext User(R. C. White) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    Hi, Jan.

    You misunderstand the term "freeware".

    We can download MalwareBytes from http://www.malwarebytes.org/ without
    paying a cent. THAT's freeware. Outlook is not freeware.

    When you see a store advertising "Buy One, Get One Free". you can't just
    march in and demand the free one without paying for the first one. That
    second one is not really "free"; its price is bundled into the one you must
    buy to get the second one.

    And, to get Outlook, you must either buy it as a standalone product, or buy
    a version of Office that includes Outlook bundled into it.

    My wife's new Altima didn't come with the highly-touted GPS display. :>(
    To get that, she would have had to buy the more expensive Altima - or pay
    extra to add it to the model she bought. Either way, the GPS would not
    really be "free". Just like Outlook.

    RC
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    "jan" wrote in message news:l1d6pb$3aj$1@news.albasani.net...

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:12:11 -0400, ...winston wrote:

    > You've previously stated your Office was 2007. The tinyurl link you
    > provided appears to be for Office 2010 yet the redirect to the MSFT
    > Answers Office 2010 forum indicates a thread title of Office 2003.


    I had explained that I had installed (something) long ago on the
    kid's PC, which crashed. Up until this thread, I had thought it
    was Office 2007 Home & Student; but when we downloaded the free
    download off the Microsoft web site, it didn't contain Outlook 2007.

    People here apprised me of the fact that Office 2007 H&S never came
    with Outlook, so, I belatedly realized it must have been 2003 Student
    and Teacher which I had prior installed.

    Since the kid is nowhere near me at the moment, I was seeking a
    download, which I found at that Microsoft link, for 2003 T&S.

    Sorry about the mixup. I think we're ok now, since 2003 Teacher
    and Student has Outlook 2003 in it. I've told my kid to download
    the freeware download and to install it and let me know how it
    works out.

    Thanks for all your help!


  15. #15
    Ext User(...winston) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    jan wrote:
    > On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:12:11 -0400, ...winston wrote:
    >
    >> You've previously stated your Office was 2007. The tinyurl link you
    >> provided appears to be for Office 2010 yet the redirect to the MSFT
    >> Answers Office 2010 forum indicates a thread title of Office 2003.

    >
    > I had explained that I had installed (something) long ago on the
    > kid's PC, which crashed. Up until this thread, I had thought it
    > was Office 2007 Home & Student; but when we downloaded the free
    > download off the Microsoft web site, it didn't contain Outlook 2007.
    >
    > People here apprised me of the fact that Office 2007 H&S never came
    > with Outlook, so, I belatedly realized it must have been 2003 Student
    > and Teacher which I had prior installed.
    >
    > Since the kid is nowhere near me at the moment, I was seeking a
    > download, which I found at that Microsoft link, for 2003 T&S.
    >
    > Sorry about the mixup. I think we're ok now, since 2003 Teacher
    > and Student has Outlook 2003 in it. I've told my kid to download
    > the freeware download and to install it and let me know how it
    > works out.
    >
    > Thanks for all your help!
    >

    Hi Jan,
    We're getting closer to being on the same page

    As others have noted.
    Anything, any version, any edition of Office (03,07,10,13) is not freeware.

    Even with an available MSFT link to download Office 2003 Student and
    Teacher, you'll need a valid (MSFT provided) original Office 2003 S/T
    product key to install/activate for use

    Iirc, and its been years since 2003...that link should be for the trial
    version which requires a valid product key to be entered to fully
    activate it for use.
    - If you do have a valid Product Key for the Office 2003 S/T edition,
    it can be installed/activated for use on three (3) systems.

    If you don't have a valid product key...then that's a much bigger haystack.

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  16. #16
    Ext User(jan) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:10:07 -0400, ...winston wrote:

    > If you don't have a valid product key...then that's a much bigger
    > haystack.


    I have a valid key.

    I guess I should have said "free download" and not
    "freeware download", as the download is free.

    Since I have so many Office products lying around, I just
    use a key that I have, so, it's 'free' to me; but I do
    understand that technically, even with the free download,
    it's not freeware.

    The funny thing is, based on searches, the freeware guys know
    far more than the payware (is that what you call Office?) guys
    do when it comes to freely obtainable downloads.

    All the payware guys seem to know about is the CDROM.


  17. #17
    Ext User(VanguardLH) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

    jan wrote:

    > I must have had on the kid's computer an older version of Microsoft
    > Office 2003 Student & Teacher Edition.


    EVERY edition of Office 2003 includes Outlook 2003. So no matter which
    edition you downloaded from Microsoft, they all would have Outlook. See:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_2003#Editions

    Your first/starter post said " MS Office 2007 from my CDROM". Obviously
    you have a CD with Office 2007 Home & Student. You looked at it and
    that's what is in your possession. That is your "my CDROM". The
    product key for that only works for that. You cannot use its product
    key for the downloaded Office 2003 installer.

    Per your first post, you have a CD for Office 2007 Home & Student. How
    is a download of Office 2003 <any edition> going to help out your kid?
    You don't have the product key for the 2003 version. You have a product
    key for the 2007 version. Although the kid's computer crashed (hard
    disk died), maybe he put the COA sticker with the product key for Office
    2003 on the computer case. Your kid will need a 2003 product key to
    match up with the downloaded 2003 installer. Does he have one?

  18. #18
    Ext User(...winston) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)


    "jan" wrote in message news:l1dcfr$iqa$1@news.albasani.net...

    >

    I have a valid key.
    Since I have so many Office products lying around, I just
    use a key that I have, so, it's 'free' to me; but I do
    understand that technically, even with the free download,
    it's not freeware.
    >


    With all those Office product keys...it would seem that at least one
    installation CD would be available.

    I've misplaced software, but I don't recall ever misplacing all
    versions/cd's of the same software.

    An Office product key is only good for the version/edition that provided the
    product key.....since this post started with a statement that you've the
    Office 2007 CD Rom, then link to the Office 2010 forums for a link to Office
    2003...it's really confusing what you or your son have.

    If the Office 2003 S/T was preinstalled on that machine prior to
    crashing...it included an OEM Product Key thus a retail key of Office 2003
    (no matter how many you may have) may not suffice to install/activate it.

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  19. #19
    Ext User(jan) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 01:44:49 -0400, ...winston wrote:

    > With all those Office product keys...it would seem that at least one
    > installation CD would be available.


    The problem isn't so much the CDROM but the distance involved.


  20. #20
    Ext User(jan) Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:24:49 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

    > Your kid will need a 2003 product key to match up
    > with the downloaded 2003 installer. Does he have one?


    We have both.

    I had installed the software so long ago, that I was mistaken
    about the version.

    I assumed it was 2007 but it was 2003. So both are in my possession,
    and he downloaded both. He has since installed the 2003 and there have
    been no problems.

    I didn't have to send him the CD itself; just the key.


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