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    Do you think this movie should be made?

    A TAXPAYER-funded film titled Wrong Girl is being produced about the shocking gang rapes, led by the notorious Skaf brothers, in south-western Sydney.

    The feature film, which has received $51,000 in government funds, will recreate the ordeal of a teenage girl who was sexually assaulted 25 times by a gang of 14 men. Writer Nicholas Hammond said filming could begin as "early as next month.''

    But NSW Rape Crisis Centre manager Karen Willis said she was deeply concerned that Wrong Girl would "retrigger the trauma of sexual assault for all rape victims.''

    "There's no need for something that scares, traumatises and horrifies people - that isn't entertainment,'' Ms Willis said. "It doesn't help anybody by going over and over an absolutely horrendous sexual assault.

    "I'm not sure what the aim of doing a film like that would be but to absolutely mortify and horrify people and traumatise the nation.''

    Wrong Girl has received a total of $51,000 in Federal and State Government funding and will be released nationally in cinemas. It was inspired by the case of the Sydney girl who was sexually assaulted for six hours by a gang of 14 men, led by Bilal Skaf and his brother, Mohammed.

    The circumstances of that attack - too shocking to repeat - meant that there was widespread community relief when Bilal received an unprecedented 55-year jail sentence. That sentence, however, was reduced to 28-years on appeal.

    The assault in western Sydney in 2000, was the first of a series of attacks by Lebanese gangs, sparking debate about the integration of Muslim men into the community. Mr Hammond said he hoped that the film would be "provocative'' and highlight "the misunderstandings between Muslims and non-Muslims.

    Its aim was to "stimulate active debate about social issues,'' he added. "We're trying to make something that has more global ramifications - particularly between the Muslim and non-Muslim world - and explore the fact there's a lack of understanding there, which creates conflict,'' Mr Hammond said.

    The film would detail the police investigation and focus on the relationship between the victim and a female crown prosecutor during the trial.

    As part of his research before writing the script for Wrong Girl, Mr Hammond sat through some of the trials. He also interviewed one of the rape victims, Miss C.

    Model-turned actor Emma Booth is believed to have been chosen to play the lead role of Jesse, the rape victim. And Rachael Blake is being considered to play the role of the prosecutor, Katherine O'Connor, whose character is loosely based on Sydney prosecutor Margaret Cuneen.

    Wrong Girl will be directed by Michael Jenkins, best known for another true crime tale, Blue Murder. Opposition spokeswoman for the arts, Jillian Skinner, said it must be done in co-operation with all of the gang rape victims.

    "It's very important that it's not sensationalised for commercial purposes and doesn't end up hurting people,'' she said.

    Funding for script development on the film comprises $30,000 from the Australian Film Commission (AFC). About $21,000 in funding has also been provided by the NSW Film and Television Office.

    Makers of the film are also hoping to receive funding from the Film Finance Commission (FFC).
    The movie will be shot in and around Sydney.

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    What do you think? Will this film be an exploitative dramatisation, or a social service?
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    "There's no need for something that scares, traumatises and horrifies people - that isn't entertainment,''
    All i have to say is that there are many forms of art. Art doesn't have to be all fuzzy bunnys and flowers.

    Art portrays emotion, and sends messages. Some art is beautiful, some art is mind boggling... some art is also ugly and distasteful.

    It doesn't take anything away from its ability to provoke thought and emotion. Which is the real purpose of art...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDOID View Post

    Art portrays emotion, and sends messages. Some art is beautiful, some art is mind boggling... some art is also ugly and distasteful.

    imo - if art is ugly and distasteful then it ain't flucken art....

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    imo - if art is ugly and distasteful then it ain't flucken art....
    do you watch zombie, horror or action movies?

    does the content mean its not art (or entertainment). Or is it the emotion derived from the art which dictates how valid a movie is?

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    I think if the intention is to educate with a cricket bat to the face, then it's missing the mark. The depiction of rape doesn't deter those who intend to perpetrate it, if anything it just gives them ideas in my opinion. How interesting that a young, attractive, former-model will be the lead role .

    I think it will just be an orgy of revulsion for many and compulsion for a few. I fail to see the point of the exercise.
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    I'd be worried that peeps will see this movie and it'll spark more Muslim hatred. I personally would never EVER see this film, but if other peeps want to see it (I can't think of a single good reason why) then I'm not about to tell them not to. Obviously it will be for adults only....hopefully not just MA15+, and I believe adults can choose for themselves what they want or don't want to see. I don't see that the government should fund it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDOID View Post
    do you watch zombie, horror or action movies?

    does the content mean its not art (or entertainment). Or is it the emotion derived from the art which dictates how valid a movie is?
    horror or zombie movies are entertainment not art.l don't class making a movie art

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    I wouldn't go to see it and I think they should really be more careful of what they are bringing on to the screens and games etc IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizard Drinkin View Post
    I think if the intention is to educate with a cricket bat to the face, then it's missing the mark. The depiction of rape doesn't deter those who intend to perpetrate it, if anything it just gives them ideas in my opinion. How interesting that a young, attractive, former-model will be the lead role .

    I think it will just be an orgy of revulsion for many and compulsion for a few. I fail to see the point of the exercise.
    Ooooo a possible point of contention with the Lizard. Specifically the insinuation behind your eye-rolling of an attractive woman cast as a rape victim. Rape scenes are generally a staple of exploitation films I find, but one of the remarkable things about exploitation cinema as a genre is its moral ambiguity, that aesthetically it can force the viewer to experience an aberrant perception (the thrill of the rapist for instance). Does that give bad ideas to pontential perpetrators or is it a valid aesthetic device unique to the exploitation film and which has been so problematic, even when incorporated into responsible art-house flicks like Irreversible?
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    Yes, the view that potential criminals are encouraged by film portrayal of crime may be ambiguous too, although I personally wouldn't discount it.

    I'm not sure how the rape scene will be depicted in this film and certainly hope that it isn't treated as gratuitous sensationalism, rather with the appropriate sensitivity to the issue.

    I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with it and hope that it doesn't turn out to be another Romper Stomper or Wolf Creek. The film has the potential to provoke serious thinking about culture, racism, sexual assault and a continuing view that women are easy targets, simply because they're female.

    Lizard, I understand what you're saying about it not being likely to lead to a change of heart among rapists, but for the great majority of viewers there might be enough provocation to encourage a more proactive attitude toward broader awareness of societal ills and that might lead to less incidence of such crimes. Maybe by averting our eyes because we are uncomfortable with what we might see we allow things to continue unabated.

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    Does that give bad ideas to pontential perpetrators or is it a valid aesthetic device unique to the exploitation film and which has been so problematic, even when incorporated into responsible art-house flicks like Irreversible?
    Mysterious Skin would be another. While it depicts pedophilia and demonstrates how a pedophile operates it can hardly be accused of encouraging such behaviour.
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    I won't be seeing it and I don't think it should be funded by the government but I also don't believe in censorship so as long as its rated correctly, adults should be able to make up their own minds as to whether they go to see it or not.

    My sister was raped when she was 13 so watching someone re-enact that doesn't really count as entertainment for me.
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    Interestingly I was thinking of Irreversible when I wrote the earlier post. Even more interestingly, I first became aware of Irreversible when browsing for pictures of the drool-worthy Monica Bellucci and encountering the phrase "Monica Bellucci Sodomised at Knifepoint" .

    That pretty well sums up my opinion of Irreversible as "Art House" as opposed to "Exploitation" cinema. Exploitation, definitely.

    I take your point about moral ambiguity, but if the proponents of the proposed film argue Wrong Girl is going to be an educational experience, I think that's a load of bullshit. If they argued "we're making a morally-ambiguous-exploitation flick-come-courtroom drama" then at least they'd be closer to reality. My main objection is dressing it up like an exercise in socially-progressive cinema.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kthemusicalkat View Post
    My sister was raped when she was 13 so watching someone re-enact that doesn't really count as entertainment for me.
    I can understand that.

    I don't regard everything I watch as entertainment. In fact, I'm becoming increasingly interested in films that provide more than mere entertainment value, but stimulate my mind. I'm finding more and more that subtext, the underlying message is what draws me to a film. Art house movies are a good source of such stimulation.
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    Short and sweet. No, the poor kid has been through enough without having it immortalised on film.
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    It really comes down to the script and how they bring the story across. Just because the movie is about a victim who was raped doesn't necessarily mean the movie will include a rape scene. It could be shown as the after effects, the trial, how the victim is coping, an insight onto why the perpetrators felt it was ok to commit this crime etc.

    If it is presented in a glorified or typical hollywood movie where it's feels a little trivilised then I really don't see the point of the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siliegrrl View Post
    It really comes down to the script and how they bring the story across. Just because the movie is about a victim who was raped doesn't necessarily mean the movie will include a rape scene. It could be shown as the after effects, the trial, how the victim is coping, an insight onto why the perpetrators felt it was ok to commit this crime etc.

    If it is presented in a glorified or typical hollywood movie where it's feels a little trivilised then I really don't see the point of the movie.
    True. EXCEPT. I believe the same point could be equally made, if not more poignantly made using a fictitious script. Why it needs to recount ACTUAL events is what I'm against. I just don't see what point it serves, except to drag up memories for the victim(s) and their families.
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    It really depends how how they portray the rape itself. Remember rape takes place in Streetcar Named Desire, and it isnt a major controversy (or atleast not anymore), and is widely considered to be a great work. If they show it in great detail then it could very easily become distasteful and purely for shock value, but done correctly I suppose it could be moving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BiggyRat View Post
    True. EXCEPT. I believe the same point could be equally made, if not more poignantly made using a fictitious script. Why it needs to recount ACTUAL events is what I'm against. I just don't see what point it serves, except to drag up memories for the victim(s) and their families.
    My first thought is that they want to shock people, by using a real scenario I think it may make some people feel empathy for the victim. I know myself when I watch movies and see scenes that are disturbing or upsetting I tell myself it's ok it's just a movie, it's not real, that didn't really happen to that person. I distance myself from the events to continue to enjoy the film, I don't think this movie is meant to be enjoyable.

    Or maybe they had really bad script writers who couldn't make up a story, so went with an actual event
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    Entertainment is art...

    why wouldn't it be?

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